four years later we all know better. what do you think about that, escrow? >> well, look, i think -- look, the country has become very polarized -- i mean it is, that's just the way it is. and both side can take some of the blame for that. i think on the issue of guns, though, jon, what is fascinating is the increase to do something about guns has happened across party lines, even in some of the polls this morning 18% more republicans, more republicans want to do something about gun control, or are more open to some of these bigger items, like an assault weapons ban, or universal background checks. so right now the feeling about doing something is going across party lines. still more republicans are defenders of the second amendment except they don't want to see something change. jon: we'll see if anything changes in this congress and with this administration. >> we sure will, jon. jenna: new fallout over the president's healthcare laws. many small businesses and nonprofits take steps to try to deal with what they are calling a financial and bureaucratic bur